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Saturday, July 02, 2005
Karl Rove: It's Not the Lying, It's the Treason
Posted by Bob BrighamUpdated with more on TreasonGate.
The blogosphere is a buzzing with news that Karl Rove has been exposed as the source of the Plame leak. In the next week, we're going to hear a great deal about the timeline and the two-person rule, the former centering on the federal crime of outing an undercover agent and the later necessary to establish the bonus charge of perjury.
Over at the Huffington Post, Lawrence O'Donnell hints that Rove may be in trouble on both counts.
I revealed in yesterday's taping of the McLaughlin Group that Time magazine's emails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. [...]Since I revealed the big scoop, I have had it reconfirmed by yet another highly authoritative source. Too many people know this. It should break wide open this week. I know Newsweek is working on an 'It's Rove!' story and will probably break it tomorrow.
If Rove is the traitor and if he lied about it before the Grand Jury -- then he could achieve rare political status of having the cover-up not as bad as the crime -- for him at least. But cover-ups usually involve more than a single man, and this could turn into one giant shitburger considering who "Bush's Brain" spends time with in the West Wing (where he now serves as both Senior Advisor to the President of the United States and Deputy White House Chief of Staff).
Last week, the story was about the move to fire Karl Rove. This week, at a minimum, Rove should have his security clearance yanked while this is investigated. From AmericaBlog:
And now that this allegation is out there, of Karl Rove being a TRAITOR who divulged national security information putting our lives and the lives of CIA agents and their contacts at risk around the world, is this suspected threat to national security still AT the White House at this moment? Is he in the proximity of the president of the United States? What does the Secret Service have to say about that? Simply because of this allegation, a very serious public allegation by a credible on-the-record source, this man's security clearances should be revoked immediately, albeit temporarily, until this matter can be resolved.Is the Secret Service REALLY going to let a man facing these accusations have access to the president of the United States in a time of war?
Come on MSM, ask the White House NOW if Karl Rove is still in the building, or if his clearances have been temporarily revoked.
Now remember, the idea that Rove is responsible for this is nothing new, yet the Secret Service has done nothing to-date to secure the President and the White House from whoever is guilty. For more on Rove as the source, check out the "historical briefings" here, here, here, here, here, and here,
Also, a full investigation of Rove and the media, will of course come back to Jeff Gannon. Somebody in the inner-circle of the White House planted Jeff Gannon and with Jeff Gannon's relationship to the Plame Affair, we're going to see a lot more on this. Which could potentially even move the scandal into something beyond lying about treason. When I searched my computer for "Rove + Source" I found the following transcript from an appearance I had on Air America earlier this year. The transcript is from this MP3, about a 102 minutes in (from 02/03/2005):
Sam Seder: Just go back to the Gannon thing for a little bit, where do you think the investigation is going to come from?Bob Brigham: I think that Congress, in one way or anot her, is going to have to start investigating. If this continues to be a blog-driven investigation, it's a worse case scenario for a lot of Republicans, specifically Republicans who might have hypocrisy liability on a gay prostitute story and it will actually defuse the story somewhat by there being an investigation, just because then it won't be just constantly the blogosphere outing more and more Republican hypocrites.
Sam Seder: So Bob, let me read between the lines here. What you're saying is that there may be information out there, that there are some gentleman involved in the White House, who have taken some positions that would be inconsistent with perhaps some of their sexual dalliances.
Bob Brigham: You know, the Republican Party has more perverts than a whorehouse on Saturday night.
Sam Seder: Sweet Bob
Janeane Garofalo: Nice one.
Bob Brigham: We saw this in the nineties with Clinton. And the hypocrisy there when that come to light was very telling in the true moral character of the Republican Party.
Sam Seder: That's right. Henry Hyde had like three girlfriends or something like that.
Bob Brigham: Livingston was taken down, was Speaker for what, a week? And now that that the Republican Party has spent two years bashing gays, that is going to catch up with the Republican Party also. The fact that they are now bashing the AARP on gay marriage, they're seniors, they aren't having gay sex, they aren't having any sex. It's seniors. It just shows how ridiculous the entire smearing people as homosexual, conduct has become in the Republican Party and they're going to pay a price for their hubris.
Sam Seder: So you're saying that there's going to be perhaps a couple of Ed Shrockian moments coming up?
Bob Brigham: I think definitly. I think that is going to be a very interesting swing of the penjelum.
Janeane Garofalo: May I throw my two cents in Bob, because you've be unbelievably polite about this. Here's exactly is going to happen. Here is what the Gannon/Guckert sexual hypocrisy, whatever the scandal is, beyond the scandal we all know about. My gut feeling is that Karl Rove is either bisexual or gay, Scott McClellan, either bisexual or gay and either one of those two men – I tend to think it is Karl Rove – has had an affair with Ganon/Guckert.
[SILENCE]
Janeane Garofalo: Oh, don't be so silenced.
Bob Brigham: Oh, well that is a very interesting theory.
Sam Seder: Well it remains to be seen. It remains to be seen.
Janeane Garofalo: I'm telling you that Rove and McClellan, I mean, Ken Mehlman is at least up front about being gay, is he not?
Sam Seder: I don't know.
Janeane Garofalo: He at least admits to being gay, doesn't he?
Sam Seder: I don't think so.
Bob Brigham: He refuses to claim that he's straight in public.
Janeane Garofalo: Well I mean at least's he's, I don't think he's as closeted. He unfortunately supports a homophobic, bigoted, hypocritical agenda and that's the problem, not his gayness. And who cares if Gannon/Guckert is gay or bi and who cares if Rove or McClellan are gay except for their hypocrisy and their gay-unfriendly agenda. But I'm telling you McClellan, Rove, Ralph Reed, these guys are the gay mafia, they are gay as French horns as they say. I don't know why French horns are gay, but I think that the Gannon/Guckert scandal is, that the source of it is that Rove is his lover.
Discovering where this leads is going to be great fun, hubris is expensive and the bill is now past-due. Sure you're saying that would be totally ridiculous. Let me remind you of this White House exchange with Scott McClellan (via slate):
Q: On the Robert Novak-Joseph Wilson situation, Novak reported earlier this year quoting "anonymous government sources" telling him that Wilson's wife was a CIA operative. Now, this is apparently a federal offense, to burn the cover [of] a CIA operative. Wilson now believes that the person who did this was Karl Rove. He's quoted from a speech last month as saying, "At the end of the day, it's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs." Did Karl Rove tell that—A: I haven't heard that. That's just totally ridiculous. But we've already addressed this issue. If I could find out who anonymous people were, I would. I just said, it's totally ridiculous.
Q: But did Karl Rove do it?
A: I said, it's totally ridiculous.
Hubris is costly.
UPDATE: (Bob): This is getting good, from Newsweek (via Atrios):
The e-mails surrendered by Time Inc., which are largely between Cooper and his editors, show that one of Cooper's sources was White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, according to two lawyers who asked not to be identified because they are representing witnesses sympathetic to the White House. Cooper and a Time spokeswoman declined to comment. But in an interview with NEWSWEEK, Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove had been interviewed by Cooper for the article. It is unclear, however, what passed between Cooper and Rove.
But this is very interesting:
Novak appears to have made some kind of arrangement with the special prosecutor, and other journalists who reported on the Plame story have talked to prosecutors with the permission of their sources. Cooper agreed to discuss his contact with Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's top aide, after Libby gave him permission to do so. But Cooper drew the line when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald asked about other sources.
It appears that unlike Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff Scooter Libby, Karl Rove did not give Cooper permission to discuss the scandal with the Special Prosecutor. Which is odd, given that Rove serves at the pleasure of the United States of America (via AmericaBlog):
Q Mr. President, on another issue, the CIA leak-gate. What is your confidence level in the results of the DOJ investigation about any of your staffers not being found guilty or being found guilty? And what do you say to critics of the administration who say that this administration retaliates against naysayers?
PRESIDENT BUSH: First of all, I'm glad you brought that question up. This is a very serious matter, and our administration takes it seriously. As members of the press corps here know, I have, at times, complained about leaks of security information, whether the leaks be in the legislative branch or in the executive branch. And I take those leaks very seriously.
And, therefore, we will cooperate fully with the Justice Department. I've got all the confidence in the world the Justice Department will do a good, thorough job. And that's exactly what I want them to do, is a good, thorough job. I'd like to know who leaked, and if anybody has got any information inside our government or outside our government who leaked, you ought to take it to the Justice Department so we can find out the leaker.
I have told my staff, I want full cooperation with the Justice Department. And when they ask for information, we expect the information to be delivered on a timely basis. I expect it to be delivered on a timely basis. I want there to be full participation, because, April, I am most interested in finding out the truth.
And, you know, there's a lot of leaking in Washington, D.C. It's a town famous for it. And if this helps stop leaks of -- this investigation in finding the truth, it will not only hold someone to account who should not have leaked -- and this is a serious charge, by the way. We're talking about a criminal action, but also hopefully will help set a clear signal we expect other leaks to stop, as well. And so I look forward to finding the truth.
Actually, I doubt Bush is looking forward to anything that is remotely related to the Truth when it comes to this TreasonGate.
UPDATE (Bob): We all knew that more and more people are going to be sucked into the TreasonGate Scandal, Digby gets the following tip:
Wilson indicates that the work up on him beginning March, 2003, turned up the information on Valerie -- which was then shared with Karl Rove who then circulated it through Administration and neo-Conservative circles. He cites conservative journalists who claimed to have had the information before the Novak column.So the question is -- in the work-up process beginning about March 2003, who had the information re: Plame?
I think it was John Bolton. At the time he was State Department Deputy Secretary with the portfolio in WMD and Nuclear Proliferation. Assuming that Valerie Plame's identity was that of a NOC (No Official Cover) the information about her would have been highly classified, compartmentalized, and only those with a need to know would know. Bolton's Job probably gave him that status. However to receive it he would have to sign off on the classification -- that is he would have to agree to retain the security the CIA had established.
At the time, Bolton had two assistants who also worked in the White House in Cheney's office, David Wurmser and John Hannah. Their names have been around as the potential leakers -- Hannah if you remember is the guy who kept putting the Yellow Cake back in Bush's speeches even though Tenet had demanded it be removed.
So -- I think we have a game of catch going on here -- or maybe some version of baseball, and the scoring is Bolton to Wurmser and Hannah, to Cheney (and/or Libby) to Rove.
more to come...
Posted at 01:59 PM in General, Plamegate, Republicans, Scandals | Technorati
Comments
This is another Friday Sneak story that won't get anywhere in the mainstream media. The McLaughlin Group will be pre-empted by the tennis matches, and those of us who knew this all along will know that Rove is a traitor as well as a liar and a worm.
Having the story get out on the Fourth of July weekend is so clever and reeks of Rove himself. He knew that the Time Magazine notes were about to hit the fan, and surely orchestrated the time table himself. By next Tuesday this will be old news, or they'll plan a sensational diversion to draw attention away from the scandal.
This will be a whitewash, with Clorox. Trust me.
Posted by: peacemum at July 2, 2005 05:28 PM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment
Clinton was investigated because the Congress was Republican. When Nixon did it, it was shocking because people still had faith in government. How about now?
How will folks like McCain, Olympia Snowe, Voinovich, and Chafee react? Can they tip the balance to blow this thing open?
And then there is 2006 ...
But yes, without that I wouldn't tend to count on the media ... I hope I'm wrong. Just as the Abu Ghraid PHOTOS actually made an impact, it may take a trial/conviction to actually get the media to cover this.
Posted by: mcittone at July 2, 2005 06:11 PM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment
Quite a roundup on quite a story. Whoever puts all the pieces together gets to write the first book. It will be a blogger, or a group of bloggers, I'm sure of that. Probably people I know.
How poetic. I knew a member of the last dot-connecting consortium: Carl Bernstein. Which reminds me of the only remark to which I take grave exception: "...they're seniors...they aren't having any sex."
As a widow and a fully qualified senior, I'm many years beyond my brief fling with CB, but only months beyond my most recent fling. We old folks do not lose our heat with age. And if you continue to promote your scurrilous canard, you are likely to have a mob of hottie grandmas wrestle you to the ground and show you what's what. You young whipper-snapper, you.
Posted by: Ellen Dana Nagler at July 3, 2005 06:00 AM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment
Quite a roundup on quite a story. Whoever puts all the pieces together gets to write the first book. It will be a blogger, or a group of bloggers, I'm sure of that. Probably people I know.
How poetic. I knew a member of the last dot-connecting consortium: Carl Bernstein. Which reminds me of the only remark of yours to which I take grave exception: "...they're seniors...they aren't having any sex."
As a widow and a fully qualified senior, I'm many years beyond my brief fling with CB, but only months beyond my most recent fling. We old folk do not necessarily lose our heat with age. And if you continue to promote your scurrilous canard, you are likely to have a mob of hottie grandmas wrestle you to the ground and show you what's what. You young whipper-snapper, you.
Posted by: Ellen Dana Nagler at July 3, 2005 06:02 AM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment
Sorry for the double post. The first one gave me a server error, so I re-sent.
Posted by: Ellen Dana Nagler at July 3, 2005 06:05 AM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment