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Tuesday, August 30, 2005

New Poll: Majority Say DLC Sucks Ass

Posted by Bob Brigham

From ABC News:

Separately, in a result that could embolden Bush's critics, a majority of Americans — including more than three-quarters of Democrats and nearly six in 10 independents — say the Democrats in Congress have not gone far enough in opposing the war, or, for that matter, in opposing Bush's policies more generally.

More and more Americans are realizing that the DC Losers Club has fucked up the Democratic Party.

Posted at 06:30 PM in Democrats | Technorati

Comments

I respect you Bob, but on this I think you're really off base, and I sincerely hope that there's more behind it than potential book sales and the fact that some douchebag threw a punch at you.

Sad fact is, when it comes to Senate races at least, our only two real success stories (Obama and Salazar) were DLCers. Note that I'm not saying they won BECAUSE they were DLCers, just pointing out that they were. I don't consider electing two non-incumbent Democrats to the Senate a big fuck up.

I don't know what your beef with these guys is (yes, I'll probably buy your book), but I'm a practical man and results are results. Please come with more if you're going down this path. As it is, you're rhetoric is stylistically sounding awfully Republican.

Posted by: jeremiah at August 30, 2005 08:27 PM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment

Uh, I'm not writing a book (but if I were the title would be, "The top 10 techniques for Al From to kiss my ass").

Obama was only considered a member of the DLC because the DLC spent six months refusing to take him off their list.

The DLC is why voters don't know the difference between Democrats and Republicans. They are the worst thing to ever happen to our Party. Like the majority of voters, I think they suck ass.

Posted by: Bob Brigham at August 31, 2005 12:27 AM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment

Very persuasive. I'm sold. Apparently they suck ass.

And sorry about the book thing. Guess sometimes I get you and Jerome and Kos all mixed up...tend to lump you together and demagogue all at once. But, of course you'd know nothing about that, seeing as how you refuse to do it to your fellow Democrats.

Look. I'm happy you've carved out your little niche, really. But let's not take our eyes off the prize here. (hint: the prize is NOT giving Al From or Donny Fowler a wedgie). The prize is GETTING DEMOCRATS ELECTED. I'm willing to listen to ANYone that has a strategy mildly more sophisticated than "Democrats that think differently than me suck ass."

C'mon, Bob, you're too important a voice to cheapen youself like this.

Posted by: jeremiah at August 31, 2005 01:01 AM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment

Jeremiah,

What's wrong with you? After everything that has happened you still can't believe that the DLC is ruining the party.

You mentioned the "niche" that Bob and others have carved out for themselves. This implies that their opinions are not shared by Democrats nationwide. I'm sorry to inform you that not only are they shared, but in some cases, others go much farther in their complete hatred for the DLC.

The fact that you can't read a poll correctly only further antagonizes them. 75% of Democrats. Who's responsible for the "dumbing down" of Washington Democrats but the DLC? 75% of rank-and-filers want things to change. Including a majority of Americans. They want Democrats to become MORE vocal against Bush, not less. They want National Health Care. They want America out of Iraq. They want Bush impeached.

Any wonder that we lose? Any wonder that people see the Democrats as a party which doesn't believe in anything. When you have losers like the DLC around. These people take polls to decide whether war is popular or not, then trap our party in that position. Is there any wonder that people don't trust Democrats on issues such as national defense?

Believe this or not Jeremiah, I didn't oppose the war so I could piss off Al From. But i'm convinced that many Washington Democratic Senators supported the war to further their own personal ambitions. WHo would you trust?

Personally, I would love to see a poll done ON THE DLC itself. I'm sure the results would come back overwhelmingly negative against them. They are living in fantasy land, and just dismiss critics as too liberal or fringe. When in reality, opposition to them is wide and deep.

DLCer's and their apologists are simply delusional at this point. Which comes from living in Washington so long.

I'm convinced they are on their way out.

Posted by: jackbourassa at August 31, 2005 02:46 AM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment

By the way, the DLC have never won us an election.

They got lucky with Colorado. As for Obama, he is no DLCer.

I find it hilarious how the DLC like taking credit for things they had nothing to do with.

Eat shit and die.

Posted by: jackbourassa at August 31, 2005 02:48 AM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment

I can't comment on the specifics of DLC Losership, but I can comment on the public perception that the Democratic Party has no balls....Example: Remember the hubub over "pick your battles"? Did we make headway over the compromise on judicial filibusters? Well, you painted ourselves in a corner on that one; meantime the country stepped closer to the right in appointing those judges to he appellate and circuit courts. "Party leaders were saying "No, were just waiting for Bush's Supreme Court nominee". Well, It looks like the Dems aren't putting up much of a fight on Roberts, so the country steps closer to the extreme right on this one too .....Now they are saying "No, were just waiting for the NEXT Supreme Court Nominee....

What about the "Plan B" pill? After a promise by Republicans in the FDA to give the go ahead the drug if we approved Bush's FDA nominee, they are reneging in their promise...Our answer? Not much...

What pisses us independents off is the increasing notion that Dems are weak, across the board. Until you show more cojones, it'll be easy to paint you guys in this light...It is remarkable how easy you guys are to push around.

Posted by: bdonikian at August 31, 2005 07:55 AM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment

The DLC types are afraid to distance themselves from Bush even as Republicans like Hagel are doing so. My fear is that we'll end up in 2008 with an anti-Bush Republican (not actually different in policies, but claiming to be a departure from Bush's disastrous record) running against an effectively pro-Bush Democrat.

Posted by: KCinDC at August 31, 2005 11:26 AM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment

You're right KC,

I'm afraid of that too. Can you imagine if the GOP nominate someone who says we have to pull out of Iraq and we nominate Hillary or someone worse who says we need to increase troops.

What a political disaster that would be.

Why don't the DLC let us be us. That's enough.

Posted by: jackbourassa at August 31, 2005 08:11 PM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment

"the Democratic Party has no balls"
Posted by: bdonikian [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2005 07:55 AM
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donikian, You stole my thunder. Just like this - "Sen. Evan Bayh Proposes A DLC Comission To Find Out Who Castrated Democrats"

After this, how do you expect the party to vote for Bayh?

Posted by: dtlc at September 1, 2005 01:51 AM | Permalink | Edit Comment | Delete Comment